Dear Readers,
Several days ago it came to my attention that what was formerly Lodge Circumspect of the "1613 Nation," had left that group, and is now an independent lodge of Women Freemasons.
It is sad, but inevitable, that when people see the truth behind an organization, those that respect honesty and transparency will feel the need to disassociate themselves from its practices.
According to WM June Lennon, after traveling to Belgium in an attempt to meet with members of 1613's supposed Loge Liberte Cherie, she was able to establish that what had been reported on many Masonic forums was true, namely that Liberte Cherie was fraudulent.
For those that read French, more about the bogus lodge can be found here:
http://www.hiram.be/Une-fausse-Loge-Liberte-cherie-et-d-autres-pseudo-Loges_a3675.html
While there is an attempt by the "1613 Nation" to claim that Lodge Circumspect is being reorganized within their group, the WM and her Sisters are in the process of continuing with the real work of Freemasonry in Lodge Circumspect, now minus the stigma of involvement with the 1613 crowd.
I wish them well in their efforts to get back on track as they practice the work of Freemasonry purged of the negative influence of the "Post-modern masonry" espoused by their previous associates.
At present, Lodge Circumspect's original website and blog are in the hands of the Grand Master of the 1613. The original Lodge Circumspect can be reached for the moment through their facebook page located here:
http://www.facebook.com/june.lennon?v=wall&ref=sgm#!/group.php?gid=111260272241449
Again, I wish these Sisters well as they rebuild and recover from their trying, and disillusioning experience with the "1613 Nation".
116 comments:
Once again here you are talking out of your ass Peter. There is no "grand master" of the 1613. We are not a grand lodge. the website and blog are under the 1613 for a few reasons. 1.) we provided it. 2.) we developed the site and wrote all of the content. 3.) we host the site. 4.) we have members who have expressed a willingness to take over the lodge.
June Lennon and her one other member left the Nation, and that they are free to do. They can call their new lodge Lodge Circumspect. they can call it whatever they want. The seal they are using we designed by Worshipful Darren young, a 1613 member.
Your a pitiful man who lives off of strife. Nothing more than a busybody rumor monger.
IN LVX,
Brad Cofield
With all due respect Brad,
You do appear to have assumed the role of a Grand Master. If there are so many members of 1613, why is it that you are the only one I ever see on the web. (Karen and a couple others excepted).
If each lodge is independent, why do none have their own websites, blogs, etc? I have seen little unique content on the various blogs.
Our discussion on facebook recently was civil. I have not attacked you by name there, or here. I will attempt not to do so either in future posts.
I am opposed to what 1613 claims to be, as you are opposed to the system that governs my obedience and many others like it.
Criticize them all you want on 1613 sites, that is your right.
I have never posted on your blogs, never will. You are welcome to read mine if you so choose.
I don't dictate what people do Peter. if others want to be on the web then so be it. If they choose not to that is their choice also. There is no dictation here, no prime directive.
We aren't a grand lodge, we are a community. So we had two members who where unfulfilled. I'm sorry for that but I am not in charge of the day to day operations of their lodges. We give advice when we are asked, we help when we can but it is at the end of the day for the lodge membership to prove themselves successful under the independent community model.
It isn't for everyone. It's really, really hard.
I actually find your criticism of our lodge web pages laughable. Your order doesn't even allow lodges to have any web pages and your grand lodge page looks as if it where designed in 7th grade web class in 1993.
The websites aren't the end all be all of the lodge, they are simply the face to allow further conversation. If you think you can do better. Please volunteer.
I don't care if you are opposed to the 1613. You are someone who has proven to be very fickle and you change loyalty like others change underwear. I remember when according to you the GOUSA was the best thing since sliced bread. then you left. Slifko's Intrepid was so much more Masonic and was the "largest co-gender Masonic lodge on the west coast." Then you left. Now the GWU is the best thing ever. I have no doubt I will read AFHR and LDH as being "truly" Masonic" next.
We don't care about you Peter. We have a lodge in LA and you would never be welcomed there. Your opinion means nothing but when you talk out your ass someone has to say something.
IN LVX,
Brad Cofield
Lodge Napoleon Bonaparte
1613 Nation
www.1613nation.org
How many members of the GWU do we see on line. There's you, Kris Hartung and Lane. From that should we determine that the GWU is a fraud?
Brad,
I was not criticizing the design of your websites, just the content.
Did you mention your opinion of the GWU website when you attempted to contacted my GM?
I do agree with you that Le Droit Humain and the AFHR are both truly Masonic organizations.
I have not had the pleasure of meeting anyone from AFHR as you have, but I know many Brothers and Sisters from LDH. Fine Masons all.
I would not be interested in visiting Karen's lodge, as I doubt that she would feel comfortable in mine.
Your last statement I can agree with completely. That is why I posted on Circumspect.
Actually, there are a couple more than those you mentioned, but they do not post as GWU members.
You do not see any people go into a Masonic forum and post non-stop, "new lodge forming," "here are our podcasts," "we have started 21 lodges in the last 6 months," etc.
These forums and blogs are not free billboards.
Peter, regardless of anything you have now been informed of the facts. You can do what you want. I'm surprised that you have allowed these posts as the last when you have been corrected on your BS you have censored. So at least you seem to be growing a little bit.
It's not my job to improve the GWU websites. It is however the role of the WM of your lodge of three people and your GM to keep EA's in the northwest corner and not mouthing off at the keyboard.
I understand that they cling to any warm body like a starving man on a cracker so you'll be able to slag off those Masonic orders you know nothing about. "C'est la vie"
IN LVX,
Brad Cofield
www.1613nation.org
My WM will appreciate your kind words about our lodge.
I realize that I should be more respectful to a "perpetual Fellow-craft".
I will remember your advice about "mouthing-off" everytime I read your posts on 100's of forums accusing Women masons of "pissing on your leg," and other such profane pearls of wisdom.
I know quite a bit about Freemasonry, not so much about pseudo-masonic groups that claim to be masonic.
As to "correcting posts," you may remember that the posts you refer to had nothing to do with you, or the 1613 Nation.
You feel that it is acceptable to criticize my postings on subjects such as Templarism and Swedish Masonry, but God forbid anyone criticize your postings. That is an "attack".
regardless of anything you have now been informed of the facts.
I was Really about to give you some credit Peter, but once again you had to screw that up for yourself. "Pseudo masonic." oh how tactful of you. Kind of your sly way of calling the 1613 a bunch of Niggers. Well, plenty of Freemasons think you're a Nigger Peter. So I guess that makes you an Uncle Tom.
As for perpetual Fellowcraft, OK. FYI I was raised in Orion Lodge #1. A lodge that Robert Ambelian himself was once Master of. I will stand for examination, anytime by anyone in your order anywhere. Sounds fair enough , right?
Don't get me wrong, I don't expect you to put your money where your mouth is, ever.
I get that you don't think I should be able to speak about anything in the affirmative in regards to the 1613 but that's the rub Peter. You don't control shit so I guess you'll just have to deal.
IN LVX,
Brad Cofield
1613 Nation
www.1613nation.org
Quite the opposite Brad,
Most of what you have posted here has been respectful, such as,
"We aren't a grand lodge, we are a community. So we had two members who where unfulfilled. I'm sorry for that but I am not in charge of the day to day operations of their lodges. We give advice when we are asked, we help when we can but it is at the end of the day for the lodge membership to prove themselves successful under the independent community model."
No problem with that. But each post you you feel the need to get a dig in about me, or my lodge:
"your grand lodge page looks as if it where designed in 7th grade web class in 1993."
"I understand that they cling to any warm body like a starving man on a cracker..."
"EA's in the northwest corner and not mouthing off at the keyboard."
"your lodge of three people"
If you want the last word, fine. Insult me, or my lodge, and I will respond.
Want to talk shit then cry> C'mon Peter, I thought you where a big boy? Want to spread rumor and falsehoods prepare to be taken to task for it. But you love the drama don't you?
You talk about being "progressive" when in truth you are an underachiever in life and a toady in Masonry.
You're not worth it. But the ten people who actually read this crap need to know the truth.
IN LVX,
Brad Cofield
1613 Nation
www.1613nation.org
Your words speak volumes as to the sort of person you are Brad.
Certainly not a Freemason by any definition.
I pity those who have chosen to associate with you.
You are a sad, narcissistic failure that could not get into any legitimate masonic organization so you decided to invent your own.
I could copy and past so many of your posts from over the years that would show what a loser you are, but it is not worth my time.
I will let the readers decide for themselves who is peddling the cr*p here.
You have worn out your welcome, as you have at so many other sites.
As Chris Hodapp said before he banned you from the Freemasons for Dummies blog, "this is an adult swim".
Again, real classy Brad.
I would like state my respect for Brother Peter for allowing Brad to speak his mind. If I may, perhaps it would a good idea to leave his current comments and allow more within the confines of the rules your blog of course Brother.
Wanna know what's classy Brandt? Your alter ego RoseCX. Hypocrite.
Thank you Brother Galt for your words and observations.
On May 18th 2010 I was emailed a photo of members of Loge Liberte Cherie -1613 Nation showing their chain of union.
Excited and proud of the photo I shared it with all members of the 1613 Nation including at the time June Lennon. Here is her direct response.
This is excitting and cause for celebration!!
I offer my congratulations and Fraternal warm wishes to all of 1613 Nation and to the Lodge in particular.
HUZAH!!!!!
June E Lennon 3*
Lux aeterna
So obviously she had no issue with Loge Liberte Cherie's validity at that time.
In regards to her recent trip she landed at Heathrow then took a connecting flight to Zurich. From Zurich is where she launched her attacks. less than an hour after her arrival. I wonder how she managed to do a complete investigation of Loge Liberte Cherie and Loge Constant Chevillon from the air?
Once the facts are revealed it is more than clear that the story as reported by Peter Yancy is total fiction.
IN LVX,
Brad Cofield
1613 Nation
www.1613nation.org
I can not comprehend why true Masons, mature men, profesionals would give this a second glance.
As for June Lennon's prior support of 1613- she discovered she was wrong and corrected her path. No shame there.
Fools are to amuse the gentry. Not the other way around.
I'm fine with June Lennon leaving the 1613. Like I said it isn't for everyone. We don't hold anyone hostage. Anyone is free to go as they wish. We are big on individual sovereignty so more power to them. I could have lived without the grandstanding and over the top theatrics but hey, what are you gonna do?
What I don't approve of or find Masonic in any way is false reporting on what actually happened. This blog is full of flasehoods and that isn't cool no matter how you slice it.
I find it really interesting when John Slifko and his group left Lodge New Isis GWU and only left the WM of the original lodge and took the name with them Peter was very upset by this. Yet when June Lennon does the exact same thing here comes Peter to the rescue. It's clear he is a partisan and that too is unfortunate but we can't do anything about it.
All we can do is get out factual information where misinformation exists.
I have no idea of who or what RoseCx is. I am sure that your lodge in Belgium would seem a bit more valid if everyone hasn't already seen this movie. Most of us have seen your behavior before. So when you wonder about your credibility and wonder why nobody believes you, just review your own actions. You did this to yourself.
Sister June just caught you in some hoopla that simply wasn't true. Own it and move on. I am certain that you will be able to dup someone else in the future.
Brandt,
Sure you don't. Telling me the truth was never your strong suit. I don't think you have ever told me the truth. Why start now? That's OK, you like to believe that you're always the smartest guy in the room and there is no harm letting you live in that delusion.
Things must be very slow at Euclid for you to have your nose in someone else's business. But that isn't really news now either, is it?
Nobody believes me? If you really believed that why would I be on your mind so much? Your actions betray your true intentions even if you say something different.
No one was ever duped. June is a grown woman. She was never promised a thing that was not delivered. She was never under the awesome power of my mind control. I told her the very first time we talked I was the most hated Mason on planet Earth. I pointed her to the Ed King fanpage. I gave her a rundown of all the forums I have been banned from. I'm not ashamed of a bit of it. I own it all. That's the facts.
She and Betty chose to leave the nation just how they chose to enter it and that was their right to do. I wish them good luck.
I have no hold over anyone and if what they are doing is better than what they have to offer then history will be the ultimate judge, don't you think?
I've got nothing to hide and nothing that I am ashamed of. I am wiling to have a conversation about the facts with anyone. They are what they are. The Nation is for some but not for most. No problem, it is what it is. We will continue without your support, we've done just fine without it so far and I can't for the life of me think as to why that wouldn't continue.
Try building something Brandt, you like to talk of how capable you are. Time for the rubber to meet the road.
IN LVX,
BC
1613 Nation
www.1613nation.org
www.egyptianfreemasonry.com
Oh Brad, whether or not I am telling you the truth about whoever Rosecx is immaterial. You know that too. The issue is that you got caught in a lie. What does that have to do with me? Nothing, as you so aptly pointed out.
Interesting information came out about your false lodge that was supposedly in Belgium. It was found to not be true and the persons that you implicated quickly denounced the whole affair.
Of course this could be just a matter of Sister June having a problem with but from what I understand she and her lodge are not the only ones that have left now. Something about Scotland?
I do believe that I am far smarter than you.
What does that have to do with your less than credible exploits?
Brandt,
I'll leave you to your beliefs. Those beliefs and $1.50 will buy you a cup of coffee.
You seem to be enjoying the gossip, so much for an enlightened man but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Any who are in the Nation have to capability to leave. Like building a startup company some go, some stay and new enter. The next generation each more radical than before.
We have the manifesto and the ten point program. Some have sworn to uphold it and when the chips where down they folded on that obligation and went home. May they be successful with what they choose to do.
All I know is that Post-Modern Freemasonry went from a simple idea to being worked in lodges on every continent Antarctica in less than two years. Quite the accomplishment no matter how the haters attempt to marginalize.
The facts Brandt, we're here. Hell, we are actually pretty close to you to. We will grow, people will come and I'm sure people will go. That's the nature of the beast.
Let's see you build something Brandt. We'll put the products head to head in the marketplace and then see how much of the market each has. Good old fashioned American entrepreneurial test of worth and value.
We're doing pretty well. The current is resonating with more and more every day. Post-Modern Freemasonry remains accessible to both the haves and have nots. We continue to reject elitism and the trappings of the profane manifestation.
Good luck to you Brandt, in all you choose to do.
IN LVX,
BC
1613 Nation
Magus, you are so caught up in your own lies that you can't recognize the truth. You lied about Liberte Cherie. You can make all the excuses you want, but a lie is a lie. Some of your own members, amongst them June Lennon and Darren Young have caught you in that lie and left your organization. Spin it however you want, but the facts are there for everyone to see. The fact that you have lied so blatantly calls into question everything you claim to have done. Are you so devoid of any morality that you can't see that?
None of us really care what you do. When you bombard the Internet, however, with your ridiculous claims, then people are going to call you on it. Go off in your own little corner and practice what you preach, and we will leave you alone. But when you invade every forum and every blog peddling your self-aggrandizing codswallop, be prepared for some push back. If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.
One last thing. You say you are prepared to stand examination in any Lodge. Perhaps you should reread your ritual then, because apprentices stand in the Northeast
Corner in the Anglo ritual, and in the European variations they are on the North side of the Lidge, but not in the northwest corner as you claim. Perhaps that is a Memphis Misraim thing of which I am not aware?
Brad,
I never claimed that I am enlightened or a super special magi or anything like that. That is your pidgin.
How about this. You have your lodge over in Muskegon. That is just 45 minutes from my front door. Have your lodge visit ours and we can visit theirs. If they really exist I will trumpet that fact to all corners. I will even make sure that digital photos are taken that you can put all over your websites.
So, are you up for the Pepsi challenge or not?
Brandt
Brad,
Just for clarification. I found this post of yours (under the moniker "J.D. Black) on Facebook, in the "Women in Freemasonry" discussion:
"P.d.- Black Larry, I'm only going to respond to you once as it is obvious you have a low I.Q.
First of all , I'm not a woman. Second, I was raised in a Prince Hall lodge in 1988, so I would guess I have been a Mason longer than you. Third, I joined the OES in 1994 and demitted in 1997 so I am familiar with it and the OES is NOT Freemasonry, and doesn't claim to be.
I may be an asshole, not argument with you there. It is obvious that you are a dipshit, so not much hope for you either."
You mentioned to me that you were "raised in Orion Lodge #1. A lodge that Robert Ambelian himself was once Master of."
Was Orion a Prince Hall Lodge? How old were you in 1988?
You claim that my blog is full of falsehoods so I am just trying to get the facts straight.
I will just assume that Brad is not accepting the opportunity to respond and set up the meeting. It would certainly help his cause if his lodge in Muskegon did actually exist.
Well let's see Scott. I broke down everything for you. Point by point just what you demanded. I heard nothing from you, just crickets. Then you come on here spouting the same crap? Life must be boring in Alaska. I would have thought with the brood of children that you have you would actually have something to do.
IN LVX,
BC
I'm not P.D. Black, Peter. You forgot to accuse me of being Emily, Javier, Christopher, Moshe, Victor, Omar and O.J. Simpson. You seem to be rather off your game.
IN LVX,
BC
Brandt, I'm not a member of Lodge Athena. Never claimed to be. I can ask them when we speak next if they are interested in your offer.
IN LVX,
BC
Crickets? Here's my response then: the Liberte Cherie claims were a lie, or at the very least a blatant misrepresentation of the facts. I found this out on my own, June Lennon's findings notwithstanding. As for the other stuff, everything you told me in no way precludes what happened during and after her trip. Obviously she found that she had been deceived, and changed her opinion accordingly. Nothing you told me casts any aspersions on that.
One last note, Brad. The personal attacks are unbecoming. If you take issue with what any of us say, fine, debate us in a civilized manner. But, when you resort to nastiness and personal attacks, it only proves how weak your case actually is.
Point out to me specifically where June Lennon was deceived Scott. I want to know.
Also, I find it interesting that you guys now feel it would be ethical for me to release documentation that isn't mine to release.
Goes to show how it is never about the position or action, it is who that position and action is associated with.
At the end of the day your opinion makes no difference. Your one guy without a lodge in the least populated state in America. In a way I am kind of glad that we have now given you a life purpose. I guess that is sort of our way of giving back.
Whatever works.
Members of Liberte Cherie are not that hard to contact yet no one tries. They would rather makes outrageous accusations.
IN LVX,
BC
Is Emily even Emily?
No matter. A point of order. Brad did contact me, he has forwarded the offer to the lodge in Muskegon, Michigan. Of course there is no guarantee that the would want to meet with me or Euclid. I am sure that a word of encouragement from Brad could be of use.
Brandt
Brad, Liberte Cherie, at least as you originally announced it, has been conclusively proven to be a fraud. There is no documentation, there is no "original charter", Franz Bridoux was not a member of the original, nor is he a PGM of the GOB. It's doubtful that Jose Magnee is a member let alone the WM. All of this came straight from the horse's mouth. Now if you have some other people now claiming to be members, like you do with Circumspect, then that is another matter outside the ken of this discussion.
Are you so blind to your own fabrications that you can't see where June might have felt deceived? If so, nothing I say is going to have any effect on you. I might as well piss into the wind. With all your equivocations, you have never directly addressed the Liberte Cherie issue, so as far as I know you actually believe your own lies.
You are right that my opinion has no bearing on what you do. It shouldn't. But you have lied and committed fraud, and that needs to be exposed. It's not a matter of opinion. I couldn't care less about what you do. As I said before, though, when you flood the internet with your claims, then you going to get it back in your face when you propound poppycock.
Brad, you know nothing about me or my life, Masonic or otherwise, so lay off the personal attacks. Try arguing the facts instead. Once again, you have proven my point.
There are plenty of places where WM Magnee discuss Loge Liberte Cherie in public.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bellevue-WA/Lodge-Napoleon-Bonaparte/324335442795?ref=search
Here is a link where he not only discusses the lodge but also the school in the Ivory Coast.
There is also this post that was originally made public.
Hello my brother,
We visited yesterday the brother Franz Bridoux and we spent most 8 hours with him. This has given us extensive documentation provided in all areas on the lodge liberté chérie and life in the extermination camp in the barracks 6. The brother Franz Bridoux is the master in the GO and GO edited 3 books written by himself on the lodge liberté chérie. I have documents in my possession, but he also gave a very large staff ducumentation containing tables and beds occupied in the barracks. Franz Bridoux has hosted with great enthusiasm, our conception of free-masonry Post Modern and asked us to continue his mission of proclaiming the truth about one of liberté chérie. We had our dispostion many maps, photographs, administrative documents of the sending of prisoners in concentration camps, the identification documents of the SS guard. We will study them with the utmost care, scan them and send them to you in a progressive way so many do. Franz Bridoux is one of only three survivors of the barrack number 6. He denies partially documentation on wikipedia website. You can contact him directly by email or facebook, unfortunately he does not speak English but we will do the translation. I think his support and quality will undoubtedly our lodge in the future. It is still very strong and clear mind. He agreed to be Master in our box. It allows us to publish his works
Brother Raum, this meeting and I still really rich but also changes the states of mind and I never cease to thank you for entrusting me with this mission because our houses will serve as the collective memory. I was accompanied by two brothers (see photos), and brother Francois Médart and Dimitri Magnée. I gonna send also the original logo created by Franz Bridoux.
in LVX
Jose
Now, if you want to cal me a fraud Scott press your charges.
IN LVX,
BC
Worshipful Magnee has discussed Loge Liberte Cherie in many places that are not difficult to find. Lodge Napoleon Bonaparte Facebook page for one.
He also posted to our Post-Modern Freemasonry group.
Hello my brother,
We visited yesterday the brother Franz Bridoux and we spent most 8 hours with him. This has given us extensive documentation provided in all areas on the lodge liberté chérie and life in the extermination camp in the barracks 6. The brother Franz Bridoux is the master in the GO and GO edited 3 books written by himself on the lodge liberté chérie. I have documents in my possession, but he also gave a very large staff ducumentation containing tables and beds occupied in the barracks. Franz Bridoux has hosted with great enthusiasm, our conception of free-masonry Post Modern and asked us to continue his mission of proclaiming the truth about one of liberté chérie. We had our dispostion many maps, photographs, administrative documents of the sending of prisoners in concentration camps, the identification documents of the SS guard. We will study them with the utmost care, scan them and send them to you in a progressive way so many do. Franz Bridoux is one of only three survivors of the barrack number 6. He denies partially documentation on wikipedia website. You can contact him directly by email or facebook, unfortunately he does not speak English but we will do the translation. I think his support and quality will undoubtedly our lodge in the future. It is still very strong and clear mind. He agreed to be Master in our box. It allows us to publish his works
Brother Raum, this meeting and I still really rich but also changes the states of mind and I never cease to thank you for entrusting me with this mission because our houses will serve as the collective memory. I was accompanied by two brothers (see photos), and brother Francois Médart and Dimitri Magnée. I gonna send also the original logo created by Franz Bridoux.
in LVX
Jose
Like I have stated before. He has also sent pictures and documentation but as I have stated before none of that is mine to release. I will not do so without permission no matter who pisses and moans.
If your going to call me a fraud Scott sack up and press your charges.
IN LVX,
BC
Every claim you have made has been debunked Brad. End of story. Franz Bridoux himself has put the lie to your story. Jose Magnee himself also did the same. You can produce all the Facebook messages or emails that you want that supposedly verify your claims, but how can those even be trusted? I find it very interesting that his salutation at the end of the letter is exactly the same as yours.
You can equivocate and take the "the documentation is not mine to release" approach all you want but your story has been proven to be a lie, by the very people involved.
On behalf of the Rectified 1613 Nation, I'd like to announce the opening of Lodge Stalag 1613, based in Belgium.
We recently met with the original Grand Master of Lodge Stalag 1613 – Captain Robert E. Hogan – and he gave us all of the original documents of the Lodge, (even though, technically, we're not affiliated with his order).
MW Bro. Hogan and his men were truly heroes! We like to call them “Hogan’s Heroes.”
We're currently working with the Governments of Germany, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg and France to build a massive monument to Lodge Stalag 1613. We have decided that nothing short of a 300-foot high golden statue of Brad Cofield will suffice, but at the moment, all we have to work with is $47.63, and now those stupid Belgians think we’re full of shit.
So if you’d like to donate, please visit one our websites, or find us on Facebook! Every dollar gets us that much closer to a 300-foot golden statue of Brad!
Scott,
It is all to predictable that was don't support your claims you would dismiss.
At this point it doesn't matter. If you think you have evidence of fraud pursue your charges.
IN LVX,
BC
1613 Nation
You haven't shown me anything solid to back up your claims. All I know is what I've seen from the people involved, which contradicts what you have shown me. Since it has already been proven that you have misrepresented the facts, it is pretty obvious which is more credible.
I'm through with this discussion Brad. You refuse to see where you are wrong. Whether this is intentional or you are just sadly deluded is not for me to judge.
As for "pressing charges" what the hell do you think this is, Judge Judy or something? The only court that matters here is that of public opinion. Once again you set up a straw man to divert attention from your deception. Here's an idea...how about you shut your cheese pipe, and go practice what you preach quietly out of the public eye? My bet is that you can't do this though. You seem to have some sort of pathological need for attention and self-aggrandizement. My only regret is that I have helped you fulfill this need.
On a serious note, June Lennon asked me to post the following message:
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I have had a cursory glance through of this blog, and thank those who have taken the time to write kind words on my behalf.
I feel compelled to ask, why obviously educated and accomplished men are granting this peon the attention he so craves? Is it not obvious, that like a misbehaving child, he doesn’t care if he is chided- he wants attention at all cost. I beg you to consider that before entertaining him further.
Deception: Yes, announcing lodges that have no property or members is deception. The height of which is hijacking a significant historical and ethnically important icon, only to have the claim be false. Cofield was asked, no less than 4 times, prior to my trip to produce documentation for Liberte Cherie- all ignored or refused. He claimed he was forwarding my contact info to 1613 members in Belgium- none presented themselves.
Jose Magnee: when asked directly by me (if it isn’t a dummy FB page) if he WAS involved with 1613, he refused to answer. That I think very significant. When contacted by Masons in Europe, during my visit and after, there has been NO response. A proud 1613 supporter? I think not.
Lodge separations: Yes, Circumspect (now changing its name to avoid confusion) and the Lodge in Scotland (also changing names I’m told) have unequivocally divorced themselves from 1613,To the best of my knowledge the only 2 lodges occupied by breathing living people.
I’ve no further interest in discussing life liberty or the pursuit of happiness with Brad Cofield.
“An exhausted animal will still fight; it is a matter of natural law”. Mei Yaochen
And it’s not fun to watch.
June can do whatever she wants. She is a free individual of legal age. They can change their name or leave it, whatever works for her.
I find it interesting the claim that she attempted to make contact during her trip. From where, the air? She landed her backside in Zurich and immediately went on the attack.
I also find this claim about no property interesting. Where did we ever claim to have property? Did she even read the manifesto?
The claim about no living members is also interesting considering that we made the contact info to every Worshipful Master of every lodge available to everyone. Brian from Artemis is accused by June of being me never mind that he was interviewed on 1613 and he gave June his phone number which she refused to call.
June and her other member can do whatever they want. Like I said I wish them the best. The Nation has not dried up and blown away without her. We're fine.
I hope she has found what she seeks.
IN LVX,
BC
I hear you!
The Rectified 1613 Nation hasn't dried up and blown away without her either.
Just waiting. I understand if the Muskegon Lodge does not want to meet with us and thereby bolster the validity of 1613. If that is something that they do not want to do, or if it is something that cannot happen because they are not there then there is no way that I can prove a negative. So be it. The offer and the opportunity is out there in front of everyone.
The Muskegon lodge can record and make the photos necessary to validate the occasion. I am willing to see that happen. This is a golden opportunity as far as I see.
Brandt
My name is Wayne and I am Worshipful Master of Lodge Demeter-1613 Nation. We are located in Rogers, Arkansas and are a Hellenic Rite lodge.
I can say that what I have read here causes me distress. A lot of you are attack Bro.Cofield as if he where responsible for every little thing that goes on within every 1613 Nation lodge. This is not the case. He has always been there to help but at the end of the day we all know that the success or failure of our lodges rest with the membership.
It isn't easy going down the road of magical and independent lodges. It would seem that from reading these pages we have a lot to be on the lookout for not only from mainstream Masons but from alternatives as well. This is a sad situation.
I know that June Lennon never contacted me directly. So she would have no idea as to our numbers, what we are doing, nothing. We work as close as we can with other 1613 lodges but we cannot force communication. As a little lodge in the bible belt we take the position that we want to learn from everyone we can. We have done our best to make our lodge inclusive to all but we cannot force anyone to knock on our door.
There are a lot of forces out there that make being a Freemason who is outside the box very difficult. We live in small towns where everyone knows everyone. Yet we move ahead with what we do because it is a part of our heart and soul to do so.
I can say that I have never met better people than I have within the Nation. We do a good job of being a true community. I have no doubt that should we need our Brethren would be there. Is that not what Brotherhood is about?
Recently, our lodge website was wiped out because Darren Young chose to hurt all of us when he left the 1613 Nation. Up until then I was unaware that he had any problem with us. let me ask you gentlemen, is that the way Masons act towards one another?
That is a good question. Do Masons do those sorts of things to each other? They should not should they. I think that you would agree on that as would most every other Mason that you meet.
The problem that brought on this entire conversation was the proclamation that there was a lodge that was close to a very well thought of piece of Masonic history from a dark time in humanity's history. From all other reports so far it appears that this story is false. Do Masons create false lodges standing on the backs of Masons that worked during a dark time in human history?
Is it inappropriate for post-modern masons to work with other masons?
Brandt
Brandt,
I have 14 pictures in my inbox from the the lodge that you speak of. they have have been clear in their desire for these pictures not to be published. I will honor that request.
I will echo Worshipful Baecker's stance on this subject:
"I have seen pictures of the brethren from Lodge Libertie Cherie and have connected with both the Worshipful Master and his brothers in the past. To discount their work is to dishonor them; until I hear from Lodge Libertie Cherie of any discord I will not assume discord exists."
Loge Liberte Cherie is a tribute. It seems terrible that others would want to turn that into something ugly.
"Is it inappropriate for post-modern masons to work with other masons?"
It shouldn't be, but when other Masons only seem out to manufacture strife where there should be none I will be the first to vote that we'll go it alone.
Hey WMLodgeDemeter,
I have a few questions -- why does Brad have total dictatorial power over the organization? Did you elect him? How does that voting process work? How long is his term in office? Have you been through the whole Brotherhood of Vampires ritual of the MEAPRMM? Even the Satanists reject you guys, because of Brad.
If you're a real person, then speak up! If you're not familiar with Brad's history, then just friend me on facebook - (McMagus Masonica).
This is an honest question and not meant as an attack on the 1613.
I am really curious as to why some members choose to use an alias when in an official capacity.
Many of us use screen names when posting on forums, etc., but I am unaware of others using an alias on official websites.
WM's and other lodge officers on lodge websites use their real names if they choose to use a name at all.
B:. Brandt has publicly acknowledged in the past his previous status as WM of Euclid. So has the WM of Vulcan, and Stewart of Emeth.
Why do some members of the 1613, such as "Emily" use an alias. Are they afraid of being publicly associated with the 1613 for some reason?
Peter,
You would have to ask them directly. There is no official 1613 Nation policy on this. Have you tried to ask the question to those who you question on this blog?
It seems to me that a lot is made public that should have been handled in a direct manner. I don't think Emily would shy from your question.
No one within the 1613 Nation has dictatorial power over the Nation.
Anyone who says otherwise is making it up.
That would go against the manifesto and the 10 point program of a Post-Modern Freemason
I will expand my previous offer. Any 1613 Nation lodge that wishes to meet with me and/or my lodge please contact me. We are open to that if the members can prove themselves to be Masons. This is not a special bar for 1613. It would be applied to any Mason that we are not familiar with. If geography is the problem then call me. At least we can talk on the phone.
It has recently been brought to my attention that post-modern masons would have trouble working with a lodge like me. So be it. That does not preclude a meeting does it?
The offer is on the table. This is a honest offer that can only benefit all parties involved.
Brandt
If you don't mind me asking Brandt what would be the benefit? We have enough troubles where I am at with the mainstream and PHA. Why would we want to call you for no reason? How does that ad to our egregore? You should know by now that Post-Modern Freemasons don't place much value on surface cooperation. We dig much deeper than that.
So, what is the value proposition? If you don't mind me asking.
Perhaps you should not jump to conclusions. You are not familiar with Euclid Lodge. The hand of Brotherhood is extended.
I know that your lodge is geographically far from us. There is nothing that either of us can do about that. There is a lodge near us supposedly.
If they, or anyone in the 1613 Nation does not want the hand of Brotherhood then so be it. This is a serious offer made in front of the world.
As to the benefit, Euclid does have something to offer.
WMLodgeDemeter said...
No one within the 1613 Nation has dictatorial power over the Nation...
Oh good grief! How naive can you be!
If it can't be a matter of being fraternal and friendly then it could be a matter of an external party verifying to the world that at least one lodge is legit.
I have extended the hand to the lodge in Muskegon. I have yet to hear back.
I'm not naive, unlike any of you I'm in the Nation. I live the Nation. I know from real hands on experience, not some fantasy B.S.
I'm not going to respond any further to anyone who goes by a screen name based on mockery.
Brandt, I get where you are coming from. At least I hope I do. I have no real issues with you. I will do what Masons do, proceed with caution.
The lodge is Muskegon is a Hellenic lodge. Very young and small but dedicated. Growing from a 1613 Chapter into a lodge. I'm sure they will respond. What they choose to do is up to them of course.
Of course it is up to them. I wouldn't have it any other way. When we are dealing between organizations the proof is in the pudding. If it is legit I will make sure that people know so at least that part can be put to bed and perhaps others will query about 1613 lodges in their areas.
Proceed with caution indeed. I would if I were in your position. That doesn't mean a shut out of course which is what I hope does not happen. I am open. The ball is in their court.
What a joke.
First of all, Brad, when you're called a fraud it's not that people are necessarily saying you're committing fraud in a legal sense, but rather that you are a fraud. As in:
Fraud
Pronunciation: \ˈfrȯd\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English fraude, from Anglo-French, from Latin fraud-, fraus
Date: 14th century
1 a : deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2 a : a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b : one that is not what it seems or is represented to be
synonyms see deception, imposture
You are called this because you continually lie, misrepresent and pretend to be people you're not. Pretty simple, huh? It doesn't mean that you've stolen money or that you've committed a crime just that you're a fake and a charlatan and two people from the inside of your own 1613 sham have come out and said so. Do you see a surprised look on anyone's face? No, you don't because most of us knew this already. Now those didn't know how much of a fraud you are are figuring this out very quickly and are making sure others know. It's not gossip and rumor mongering - it's informing people of the truth. I can see why you've a problem with this. You have a problem with truth, period.
In fact, I highly doubt that you were even raised in Trieste as you so often claim. Where are the pictures of you in Italy? With Ripel? You don't mean to tell me you somehow didn't manage to take pictures of such an important event in your life? I've never even seen a picture of you in an apron. Oh, I've seen lots of pictures of other people in aprons that you've posted and claimed to be involved with. None of you. Why's that I wonder?
So was this event as fake as all the empty lodges you promote, with websites in other languages that have so obviously been pumped through a poor translation program? We know perfectly well that these lodges are fake since no-one ever admits to being a member of them. Or at least, those foolish enough to once do so don't any longer. You may still have a small handful of people ignorant enough of your nature to play with you at the moment. It won't last, however, as they'll get to know the real you soon enough. Then it'll be game over like it has been with every other failure you've participated in.
At any rate, even if you were raised it means nothing, obviously. You still are clueless and know little to nothing about the things you pretend to be a master of. And if you continue along this path you always will be clueless. I feel for you and anyone else that seems to think that 'we here-by issue in a new era' means anything. Your manifesto and your 1613 are a big joke and it's no wonder people parody you since you are the actual parody of the real thing, but you are simply too ignorant to realize it.
You also seem to think people are 'against' you when they're not. There's nothing to be against. You're merely a laughingstock that others can find some amusement in as you attempt to ape the Masonry that has so soundly rejected you. You've pretended to be a co-mason, a gay drug-addict, and a cancer survivor - just to name a few and now you're multiple personalities telling yourself on Facebook how great you are. You're a liar, a fraud, and one of the most hateful, spiteful, uncouth and unmasonic people I've ever had the misfortune to come across.
The only one here living in a B.S. fantasy world is you Brad and anyone else dim witted enough to think your moronic manifesto is even written in proper English let alone means anything of substance whatsoever.
Now that rant was awesome!! I think I will print that and frame it. It belongs on my desk. Now, I have gotten some pretty cool fanboy rants but that one was the best of 2010 (so far) for sure. Kudos to you Mr. Anonymous.
It does actually feel really good to give someone who I've had no interaction with such a sincere passion about me. He even wants pictures. Awww, so sweet.
Anyway, it feels good to be an outlaw and I thank all of you for the support.
1613 for life.
BC
www.1613nation.org
Hotroy,wow, how hateful. If we are such jokes and morons why don't you just leave us alone? Judging by your "Rectified 1613" and "SROTN" it would seem that you spend a lot of hours on us per week. What does that say about what you have going on upstairs that you would be so attracted to morons that you make us your part time job?
I must have missed the part where Masonry is about being as cruel and vindictive as possible. I suppose that is what I love so much about the 1613 and the Hellenic Rite. I feel good when I'm with my Brethren. Coming from lodge leaves me with positive energy. Call me a moron for it but it works for me.
I think I'm done commenting. The detractors posts speak loudly. I'll continue down the path I'm on and wish you all future happiness.
Ahahahahah. Funny, Brad.
Failure doesn't mean outlaw. What are you anyway, 5 years old and playing cowboys and indians? Please.
As for my 'hateful' rant, well I didn't think it particularly hateful, merely the truth. It doesn't hold a candle to Brad's works even on a good day!
You say we've had no interaction, but you'd be dead wrong. Poor Brad, so clueless as always. Sigh.
Anyway, I'll leave you with this:
http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2010/07/brad-cofield-and-1613-nation-fraud.html
Have a nice day and have fun playing with all your imaginary friends!
Hotroy,
Why don't you attach your name to anything you post? Oh I know, because what you are doing actually violates your own Masonic code. Poor baby.
I got some good news. Glossy 8x11's autographed by me and spritzed by my cologne.
Wouldn't want you to miss the pheromone rush.
As for Hodapp's article I dig it.
Badass.
I love my fanboys. :)
IN LVX,
BC
I am in contact with a member of Athena. Brad assisted in making that connection. As I promised I will report on the validity of the group once Athena and I get a chance to meet.
As promised:
Triangle Athena does exist in Muskegon, MI. I have not met with any of the three members but the head of that group and I have mutual friends in Muskegon. They do exist.
Thanks Brandt. I'm glad that you where able to connect. The boys of Athena are really good Brethren. They also work very closely with Lodge Artemis out of Columbia, South Carolina.
A bit of a clarification though. The 1613 Nation works a little differently than a "cosmopolitan" Masonic order. We grow from a Chapter (a group of mutual interest) to a lodge. We don't have Triangles. Within the Nation, we have our rituals redacted to accommodate three officers. The Hellenic Rite was specifically designed around three officers.
Now, not all Rites available lend themselves to this. Misraim for an example, but most do.
IN LVX,
BC
www.1613nation.org
They described theirselves as a "triangle." Just trying to report what I was told. A rose by any other name of course right.
Bro.Brandt,
No worries :)
IN LVX,
BC
This may or may not be interesting or salient to the discussion. This is being pushed around the net right now.
TRIANGLE ATHENA hereby severs ties to the 1613 Nation of Brad Cofield due to overwhelming claims and evidence against Brad Cofield. We feel these wrongdoings and constant drama on behalf of Brad has nothing to do with us nor beneficial to freemasonry. Reasons include the following:
Falsifying information about the existence of a Lodge Liberte Cherie 1613 and has not provided any evidence towards his innocence.
Spreading false ideas that another nearby lodge to Athena was angry at our existence while not producing evidence of this lodge’s direct anger.
Has spoken on behalf of 1613 Nation many times without permission of 1613 Nation member lodges.
WM Artificer, Triangle Athena
The triangle is real though
I'm glad that you where able to connect. The boys of Athena are really good Brethren.
Would have been nice if I would have heard of it but it is what it is. Just like any start-up. Ya win some, ya lose some.
The good news is we lost two members in Muskegon, gained three in Marquette. Also, we gained a lodge in Chicago. So at the end of the day I'll take those results.
The number one complaint against me seem to be that I have stood up for my Brethren. I can say that will never change. No regrets.
IN LVX,
BC
www.1613nation.org
Magus Masonica said...
"The number one complaint against me seem to be that I have stood up for my Brethren."
Ummm... Where'd you get that from?
We have all seen the complaints, far too much in my opinion. I haven't seen one complaint that stated that you stood up too much for your Brothers. It was definitely complaints that appear to have been highlighted quite clearly in this thread. It looks damning and may be such as several are abandoning ship. One or two wouldn't be such an issue but three or more is a trend.
It is an issue and it is tied to claims that were made that don't seem to be supported. The Ivory Coast school is reported to not even be a 1613 matter, Liberte Cherie has been covered in detail - you have addressed that but Brother Magnee appears to have a different report, along with the recent defections. What should people think?
Like you and I had discussed Brandt. You seemed to understand my point during our conversation so I cannot even begin to understand why you have lost understanding now.
A major gripe is that I am not releasing what is not mine to release. I have not been given the green light to release pictures or documentation regarding Loge Liberte Cherie so I'm not going to. The weak seemed to be irritated by this and holding it against me. Well, I am doing the ethical thing regardless of the opinions of a few.
Whoever wants to leave the Nation please do. If they feel that we are not what they seek it is better they leave than lie to us or even worse themselves. If they can't stomach the idea of being under attack 24/7 probably the rest of their lives then they need to head for the door.
What we do is really damned hard. It takes a lot out of you. It can be the most trying thing in the world and it isn't for 99.9%.
We are the 1% of 1% and we are totally cool with that. I'm sorry that others don't get that but better they leave now than later.
Again, anyone who wants to leave will not be stopped. They need to realize they cannot come back through the door but we will wish them well on future travels.
As for the school. Posted on June 1st 2010 at 6:04am on the Lodge Napoleon Bonaparte FB page.
Jose Magnee: The school in Ivory Cost for children from the street is created by 1613 foundation!
So you tell me.
IN LVX,
BC
www.1613nation.org
So, what is with the new information from him which seems to contradict that?
Seriously, people aren't bothered by you standing up for your Brethren.
I don't provide a lot of Euclid information to people. Even when they ask under various pseudonyms. No transparency here. Fairly typical though. I can't think of a lodge, other than my own, that I can get the financials for or other private information.
A true shame, or is it sham? I have multiple communications from Jose Magnee deny involvement with 1613, Liberte Cherie (other than as a memorial) and Cofield. I did cut and paste the last assertion that the Ivory Coast school was a 1613 project and this was his immediate response-
"José Magnee July 30 at 11:07am
C'est tout à fait faux ! Cette école est régie et financée par l'association dédiée à mon épouse"Karma Yeshi Dolma" nom bouddhiste de mon épouse.Mon ami vous enverra un courrier à cet effet ce soir .
Need we say more?
Brandt,
On May 9th 2010 I received this email from Jose:
Hi my Brother,
This is a proposition for the school ,please send me you idea .
We can change how you want.
In LVX
J
Based on the established fact that exclusion, whether it be social, educational
or cultural, reveals the fact that "not knowing" and therefore "not knowing how
to do" leads to the rejection of any project ... and therefore humanity exists
without living.
The transmission of knowledge, can only enhance the savoir-faire
The pedagogy of met knowledge can give a human being a better image of
himself and lead him to such knowledge that he never suspected he would
possess one day.
The transmission of knowledge breeds skill.
Knowledge can only be acquired, through self confidence and the way he value
other individuals.
Knowledge is also an attitude of behavior linked to the social and cultural
milieu in which people live. Schools have tools to promote social and cultural
integration. In order to offer the best opportunity of individual and collective
integration, we suggest propose an approach by the way of culture and of
citizenship.
Martial art when controlled, for example, traditional kung fu, leads the student
to master (conquer his passion) an approach one other in our difference and
not in fear ("I'm afraid so I transgress” can become "I'm not afraid, I integrate
your difference”). The overall project is part of a global dimension since it
encourages active citizenship by developing solidarity and promoting tolerance,
in respect for mutual understanding.
Creativity can be expressed only through a "savoir-être" acquired through
the "knowledge" and "savoir-faire" which are transmitted by sharing knowledge
and skills enabling us to recognize each other and lead us to integration.
The Post Modern Freemasonry represented by the Nation in 1613 studied the
great moral and social problems confronting humanity and tried to solve them
it wanted to proclaim the principles of universal morality suitable to all beings
without distinction of race, sex, religion or name.
These rules can be briefly translated as "think well", "talk well," do well ".
To achieve this in secular life by the precepts of FREEDOM EQUALITY
BROTHERHOOD to help the progressive development of humanity.
This was to be above the doors to the school and the 1613 Manifesto alongside.
This has also been published by Jose Magnee on Lodge Napoleon FB page on May 17 2010 at 2:07am
That is the only reason why I feel comfortable posting it here.
IN LVX,
BC
1613 Nation
Brad, your a liar. Stop doing so in other peoples names. It is pitiful.
having corresponded with the real Jose Magnee, with the help of an excellent interpreter and sister, I am convinced that the school has nothing to do with 1613. To quote Jose of earlier today:
"José Magnee July 30 at 12:03pm
Cette situation devient folle
So which assertion is correct?
Ok Anonymous, take a look at the Lodge Napoleon FB page and see for yourself. It is open for everyone to see. Jose posts there under his real name.
IN LVX,
BC
www.1613nation.org
If I might interject a few observations here.
I am inclined to believe that Brad is telling the truth in this matter. I doubt that he wrote and posted false emails and postings from Magnee.
What I think is more likely is that Magnee, since there has been so much outrage over the issue in Europe, is back-peddling to cover himself.
It is similar to the story of the "boy who cried wolf". Since Brad has used deception in the past so often, now, when he is likely telling the truth, some are finding it difficult to believe.
I think that Magnee is trying to distance himself from the whole affair, and is exhibiting, "selective recall" of what happened regarding the school and Liberte Cherie.
This is where we civilized, semi intelligent people need to leave BC to his own delusions. With his clear and long history of varied deceptions, I don't think we need question further what the truth is or who is telling it.
Leave the child in "time out".
Jose's posts on the Lodge Napoleon FB page are there for everyone to see. In black and white and date stamped. Why is that so difficult a direction for those critical of the 1613 to go.
It does seem like back peddling to me and that would be very sad but clearly not deception on the part of Brad or the 1613.
It is sad that a few attacks make some go in the fetal position. Why did they lie to themselves about what they where getting into?
I knew as a 1613 I would have to fight for every square inch outside of my community. This has never been a secret.
Those who are no crying, we need to let the babies have their bottle.
Their diapers are now someone else's problem.
I apologize, the W sticks on my keyboard.
For those who want to leave the Nation leave, and please leave now. I don't want to waste one more thought or breath on you.
Life is short.
Those who have left did so in the middle of the night, and like thieves some have taken websites down with them. Our lodge website was destroyed by such a pathetic individual.
If they think the grass is greener then by all means, feast upon that grass. Should you still be left hungry deal with it as our table has no room for you.
No soup for you!
That'll learn 'em
Posted on the Lodge Napoleon Bonaparte FB page by Jose Magnee. May 6th, 2010 2:58am.
Hi my Brother,
I see the old Brother the next week,exactly the 12 at Bruxelles.
He say me ,he will give a important documentation of the "Liberté Chérie"in the prison camp the last war.And he accept I make a film his personnal story .
Its very important four our Lodge.
In LVX my Brother
J
Posted May 4th 2:48pm by Jose Magnee.
Hello my Brother,
Excuse me for the lateness of this letter but this week I have lots of meetings. As regards the foundation in 1613, I'll send a proposal for presentation texts that my son will be translated. Make me your opinion directly. I feel much movement this week in an emergency do not hesitate to contact my son who is a brother as the number 0032476775620.
Once you'll know, you can give my regards to Darren
See you soon.
In LVX
Jose
Then posted by Jose at 11:58pm
A wonderful new Brother, the author of the original logo Liberté Chérie is a Belgian brother aged 86 years. He has extensive archives and it will put at our disposal. I'll go meet him.
In LVX
Jose
From Jose Magnee on April 27th 2010 at 5:50am
Traduction (français > anglais)Afficher en écriture latine
Hello my brother,
I hope you are well. The box of the GO Rochelle in France has made contact with me. They provide us with a large number of archives. I will meet this month.
As I had said, the projection is thriving in France.
I contacted DARREN, it can not find the text so I will send them. He told me he was in the hospital. I attach great importance to a precise grammar for our presentation in France.
Our lodge Liberté Chérie in Belgium, what address should I send you photos and CVs of members?
This is my son who is also the brother who will handle this thing, he's stronger than me in computer, hahaha.
He will add you as a friend on facebook and you'll be able to exchange.
I will be received in Abidjan by the GO, there are many brothers over there. Do not hesitate to give me advice and guidance. We can consider that in 1613 nation already exists in this country.
Best Regards
In LVX
Jos
This just gets more bizarre by the day...
There is plenty more. There have been many conversations (all initiated) by Jose that detail Loge Liberte Cherie, it's membership, meeting minuets on and on. many photos as well.
All I can do is operate on what I'm being told. I tend to take my Brethren at face value. I applauded all of work that they had put in and until I know for sure not to I will continue to do so.
One would think that those so eager to pile on vicious rumors would realize what is now do but I won't hold my breath.
The Nation is a work in progress. Just today I have spent time working with our lodge in Bolivia and our lodge in Israel/ The sky hasn't fallen but Rome wasn't built in a day either?
IN LVX,
BC
1613 Nation
So what should people make of this? There is suddenly a difference in the message conveyed. This happened only after the matter was scrutinized on the ground.
Brad, you are a fraud, and a felon. You have arrest warrants out for you, you have been charge with fraud etc as well. Nothing you say has relevance. You were denied the rights of a master mason because you are unworthy. You will always be unworthy. Your 1613 nation Farse has been exposed. Lodges leave you by the droves. You are nothing but a charlatan, and always will be. you my friend are "MASONICALLY IRRELEVANT!" You have no value to any version of the craft and never will. Go back to the hole from which you crawled and play pretend at something else. You are exposed globally, including your criminal background. It is currently populating the web, and forever more shall masons near and far know the for the cowan thou art, ad lest ye forget it shall ever be reminded for eternity it the analogs of masonic history that Brad Cofield is a fraud and a charlatan!
William and all, you other "brothers" of the 1613, there is no revolution but in your minds. You have started nothing. The independent movement has been around long before you, and will survive long after your "sham" vaporizes. Get off your soap boxes, you are building castles in the sand, soon to be wash away without record by the tides of truth and time!
Oh and Brad, quit logging in with your aliases to make it sound like you have more members, way childish.
Stewart,
I'm not a felon. I have never been charged with a crime in my life. As a matter of fact criminal records are public in the USA any one who doubts can attempt to find a single charge that has been brought against me let alone a conviction. Stewart McGee is lying when he says these things and those are the facts.
He can dislike the Nation all he wants. He can dislike me all he wants. I could care less. It is when he lies about things that are very serious that I take notice. In fact he can be sued for his libelous statements.
IN LVX,
BC
1613 Nation
From Jose Magnee on May 5th 2010, 8:03am.
Déar Brother,
I send you by mail(secretary@lodgenapoleon.com) the documents for the lodge ,it's the story of the Brother in Belgium. He send me a mail,and he say he i's ok for the publication.Please look this document it's very precise and very rich!He say also he have severals documents and he is ok for give at our lodge.
I ask for see this Brother,I wait this answer.
I think it's very very for the lodge,it's a direct history.
Send me if you receice the documents.
IN LVX
J
April 14th , 2010. 2:38am
Hello dear brother,
Regarding our discussion of yestarday here is the news.
For Belgium my sport and my humanitarian situation make me have a lot of contact in the governemental world and at other level. It will be very valuable for the evoluThis will allowto work at a very good level for the construction of the lodge. Secondly for France my permanent relation with the european social fund allow me to have some very good connexion. The pedagogic project created by our companion lodge has been exported in france for the managment of teens with scolar difficulties, thats why I am always in contact with Paris in Niormandia so we can count on a good construction in this country. For Ivory Coast I heading there next month to negociate a scolar program with the governement. I have very close relation there with several member of the governement and reporters of the national tv that s will allow us to construct in this country too. For Sikkim(india) I have the direction of an orphen school and in the future we will establish relations with the indian governement and later betty will be avialable to construct there too. What do you think about this strategie? I prefere quality to quantity, to construct something solid as we said yesterday and I would like to tell me you suggestion,advice and remark.And we should have a permanent contact, I wont take any descicion without have discuss wiht you.
I SAY
IN LVX
J
April 11th , 2010. 2:12pm.
For the moment the Brothers iwill enter in the "Liberty Chérie" are:
-Magnée Joseph(me) Compagnion in Finishing
-Médart François Compagnion in Finishing Teatcher in arts Academy
-Hody Jean Marie Apprentie Police Officier
-Viatour Cyril Apprentie Police Officier
-Annette Fouchard Master in spécultaive Lodge (Human Duty)
Business
-Thoumsin Cédric Apprentie Chief of Station
-Magnée Dimitri Compagnion receive Teacher
Tibetan Lama teacher in Belgium will like enter.
And three others brothers
Il have also contacts in France.
I wait your instructions(My son send the ptotos when he is here ,he arrive the 15 april).
Best wishs Brother
J
Brad, we looked these documents and also at entire question of honesty on the Internet. We read all things about Jose, nations 1613 tomcat -[d]' [Ivuar]. Enormous large consideration [o] I eat and we solve the which fully shit, it Jose, it Brad, and we arrived toward the end in his way to speak that both they were full of shit.
Good to know Hifestus, whoever you are :)
I don't know if a court has actually passed sentence on anyone. I would like to know if they have. That being said, all cards should be on the table in a discussion like this.
I will support Brother Stewart in his statements that the 1613 Nation has done nothing novel. Independent lodges have been around for quite some and will continue to be so. The difference is some draw attention and attempt to circumvent Masonry for their own benefit, and others just attend to their work.
Brandt,
When did the 1613 ever claim to invent Independent Freemasonry? We do something that is different. We stand according to our manifesto, Post-Modern Freemasonry. It works for us. We never claimed to represent all.
I get that you guys are pissed that we aren't church mouse quiet but , deal with it.
It's easy to determine if anyone has been convicted of a crime. Criminal records are a matter of public record. It is disgusting for anyone to promote rumors, let alone a Freemason.
Like us or don't, don't care and don't matter either way. To promote vicious lies is another matter. You told me you agreed.
IN LVX,
BC
I don't care how loud y'all are. Yell as loud as you want to the public that you supposedly don't care about. Just don't drop to low rent attacks (like the well copied and reproduced recitiations of "cunt" and whatever other personal attack is there). Cowboy up and show people that you have something worthwhile. Do say it, show it. If you, as the obvious face of 1613 can't do it then why should anyone get on board?
I can't tell you why Brandt. You would have to ask the membership. The fact remains is that the 1613 is on every continent besides Antarctica. Despite the around the clock attacks the current still resonates.
Seriously. it may not be for you but really, who the Hell cares?
Do what you do and be happy. Live life and let others live theirs. If it doesn't work for some then so be it, we aren't claiming to be one size fits all.
You think I'm an asshole, more power to you. We do what we do and we do how we do it. It's just really that simple.
The complaints have been that I made up Loge Liberte Cherie. You know now that was not the case. If people want to leave they can. And every time it can be trumpeted by this blog. fact is that if it where just a hand full of us the 1613 Nation would still be a reality. Post-Modern Freemasonry would have still gone from idea, to concept to system. No matter how you cut it that's both an accomplishment and an event.
I am 100% proud of both. If I die tomorrow I will die doing what I was called upon to do.
IN LVX,
BC
1613 Nation
awesome stuff!
So, this is where everyone is!
The shittiest fast food joints are one every continent except antartica too, does mean it is good for society!
Satanism is on every continent, does not mean it a good thing!
Keep up the fight!
I like that quote about injured animals fighting harder because it is Natural Law!
Love and Light Beer
Brad, you are an asshole and so am I. We had already discussed that. Since those issues are now moved aside it is not relevant to the discussion at all. Yes, I am a bit of cranky redneck, C'est la vie.
None of that is important to the discussion. There are messages from Magnee that are clearly pro-1613 and messages that are clearly not in keeping with the original message.
Some are for and some are contrary, from the same source I assume, you should understand that many brethren that would support you under other circumstances find it hard to do so under the weight of the ambiguous evidence coming forth these days.
Brandt, I cannot control what people say. I don't know what else to tell you. Support is great but we won't die off without it.
At this point you can make up your own mind. Whatever your conclusion, we'll live with it. I have answered every question. That's all i can do.
IN LVX,
BC
1613 Nation
Magus:At this point you can make up your own mind. Whatever your conclusion, we'll live with it. I have answered every question. That's all i can do.
We know you can do alot more.. I mean, look at the wake left behind you?
please do more, I love the web spinning you are doing!
Lies and more lies are a beautiful things and a solid support system for the base of a foundation!
Just remember, a pile of shit attracts flies and other shit eating entities, so your PM Freemasonry will attract flies as well....
keep crowing about the flies that are gathering around your carcass!
Humor in Masonry is sometimes needed and you are a card!
José Magnee August 2 at 11:03am Report
No June, we send picture and differents documents but never we are a lodge 1613. We haven't never receive initiation .Only a group for study the last war.It's true before we like the manisfeste of 1613 ,but never adhésion.Never we see Brad only commnication by internet !
Please send me the "picture" and the "mails",if necessity we will be tribunal with Cofield !
Well, those of us who decide to buzz around shit will continue to do so. Because it's our shit. Those who claim not to care about shit will continue to comment about shit. Because, they really love shit. so much that shit is their reason for getting out of bed.
That is the way of the world. we aren't demanding anyone care about our shit but they do anyway. So be it.
As to what Jose says or dosn't say today, tomorrow or next week. Good for him. I can't control it. So, this seems to be a crack in the theory that he is either my sock puppet or that I have mind control over minions. He can do what he wants and more power to him.
If he feels that he can bring me up on some sort of trial I say go for it. Tell me when and where.
As for the rest of you fanboys I love you all. :) Rock on!
Cheers,
BC
1613 Nation
For those who believe no proof is necessary. For those who don't no proof is possible.
Are you suggesting that "proof" is pointless and all that is needed is blind faith?
Please, That is just some fool copying my Face Book thought of the day...Not even genuine enough to come up with his own witty retort
Damn June, you are so bitter. I would have thought now that you are on to bigger and better things you would be joyous.
Life is short, be happy.
IN LVX,
BC
1613 Nation
The facts of the matter folks. 1613 isn't dogmatic. We don't demand loyalty or absolute allegiance.
We promote about all self reliance, We care more about someone achieving their our remanifestation than some kind of group collective.
It has been said that some who have left did not feel enough legitimacy. That may very well be the case. If so they did not read nor understand the 1613 Manifesto which reads:
"Unlike our Modern and Antient predecessors , Post-Moderns are united together not through
the bonds of institutional servitude but by the genuine desire to build upon common
principles. It is not the desire to form yet another among the countless institutions. It is not
the feeding of ego that can so easily lead to a cult of personality. It is the genuine desire
and belief that a true community based upon common sense pragmatic principles will allow
us to guide ourselves in the model of the twenty first century Freemason.
The first of these principles is that of sovereignty. Sovereignty not only of our lodges as
independent houses of the Craft, but sovereignty of the individual to practice the Craft how
would best benefit their individual lives. As Freemasons and free men and women; we the
members and 1613 Nation loudly and proudly declare our sovereignty and independence;
not only as Freemasons but as collective citizens under the canopy of Heaven. We hold it
within our rights to manage our affairs as we see fit, regardless of attempted outside
interference."
It continues:
"1613 Nation: Ten Point Program of the Post-Modern Freemason
• 1.) Dedication to both lodge and individual Masonic empowerment. There is no
greater lodge than the lodge of self. The four chambers of the Craftsman's heart not
the four walls made of stucco and drywall. We as members of the 1613 Nation seek
a high level of operative skill. We seek to reach a point of the "perpetual lodge." A
state of being. We understand that it is not enough to meet once a month as
Brothers than depart back into a state of a essentially profane life. It is through the
empowerment of both the lodge of the individual Craftsman that must always
remain in out focus or we will lose out state of perpetual motion."
To those who have felt and do feel that they have grown beyond 1613 Freemasonry I raise a glass. Good for you.We actually feel that the highest purpose of the 1613 is the elimination of the 1613. No group offers anyone legitimacy, nor does any group take it away. Be you for you.
Always.
We do not seek to control anyone only to unlock the individual to the road of lodge of self.
In that I say, HOTEP!
IN LVX,
BC
1613 Nation
I have the feeling that this discussion has run its course. Everyone has had the opportunity to state their position on the matter.
I have not published a couple of anti-Brad posts that have been made over the past two days due to an excessive use of "bad language".
If any future comments are made, either pro, or anti-1613, please try to tone down the profanity level.
I hope to move on with a new posting soon though any who wish to continue commenting on this subject are welcome to do so, just watch the language please.
Brad, I'm not bitter. I am amused by individuals who claim independent thought and action, but can not live the talk.
You can't copy individuality.
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